Mistress Carrie's Side Piece Episode 22: Scott Huesing

Tuesday, May 29th

According to his bio "Scott A. Huesing is a retired USMC Infantry Major with over 24 years of service, both enlisted and as a commissioned officer.  His career spanned 10 deployments and he conducted operations in over 60 countries worldwide.  During his numerous deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa he planned, led, and conducted hundreds of combat missions under some of the most austere and challenging conditions." He is the author of the best selling book 'Echo In Ramadi' which is described... "For months from the winter of 2006 through early 2007—250 Marines of Echo Company, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines fought daily in Ramadi—the deadliest city in Iraq and throughout Al Anbar Province."   He was in Boston, attending the Boston Wounded Vet Run, and we were introduced by BWVR founder Andy Beggio (Side Piece Episode #4). Scott, came in to talk about his book, his Marines, bridging the Military/Civilian gap, and so much more. For more info on Scott click here.

Click here to purchase a copy of Echo In Ramadi

Scott is also the Executive Director of Save The Brave "(STB) is a certified, one hundred percent, nonprofit organization devoted to provide camaraderie and stress management programs.  STB is committed to establishing connectivity of the mind, body, and spirit by creating solid support networks that are entirely accessible to all Veterans in need.  Though diverse outreach programs and financial assistance, STB provides a safe and comfortable space for Veterans to connect with each other, share stories, struggles, and accomplishments to heal the wounds that go largely unseen. Our philosophy is simple.  There is no pill, no prescription and no vaccination that can cure the effects of PTS better than connecting with fellow Veterans through shared experiences.  Our strength comes through connection." Click here for more info on STB.

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Welcome to episode 22 of mr. Carey's site peace podcast I mr. Kerry the music director and midday host of the only station that really rocks WA AF Boston. This is my site peace it's what I do when I'm not on the air in Boston bitching about something and playing music actually get to sit down and have. Long conversations are really interesting people that are doing amazing work or are creating amazing music or. I don't just a really cool people and to to have the ability kind of sit down talk to them is awesome. I'm this episode of the podcast. I gotta get it out right off the bat. This was recorded right after. The Boston wounded veteran which cap in the weekend before Memorial Day. I got a chance to meet Scott using. At the Boston went to bat around he came into town. To be there for that event and also its use sign copies of his bestselling book echo in ramadi. And we got introduced by Andy Biggio who started the Boston when you're that round he may remember. Which here on episode four of the podcast last year. And any was like you know what he got to meet Scott is really interesting he's got a lot to say his book is amazing he's doing a lot of great work with saved the brave. Which you get more details at saved the brave dot org. And stars like yeah bring them up let's get a pop podcast. But I couldn't get this episode up until after Memorial Day self. Obviously this conversation happened a little while ago. I had not had a chance to read his book because I literally met him and then like a few hours later. We are put them on the podcast so got a copy of the book. And I'm just starting to read it now and from what everybody told me it's a great reads like to get through it generally you know what's the amount that. But it's. We decided to sit down and talk about a lot of things including his service and volunteering in support of veterans and we just we kind of ran all over the place and talked about a lot of things. These are really interesting guy and I was really site became one just down tot. He's also got these great pipes I told them if you know this marine saying in this bestselling author and and you know being the executive director of save the Braves does it work out he could give radio try and see how that works for. Or is this is Scott key using the executive director of save the brave and the best selling author of the book echo in ramadi. Boston Boston's finest co ops he's wickedness that and yet gets in the issuance on a White Sox. Nice to be confused with the reds box you don't referred to justice talks. This just curious side piece podcast. A snapshot on WB AS dot com. I'm a woman. Mr. fairies I. I'd cast and on today's episode. Do like just call you majored spot using. Hi how do I say it was to order Scott just Scott is fine that's fine but yeah I'm retired. Major minutes as Marine Corps 24 years both been listed. Then economic commission. And they call it mustang ranked yeah must things deserted. First of many different breeds it's a it's a Karzai and honor and so we. We don't take offense it. Well I just. What I set up interviews. And get ready to talk to people on the podcast. Usually I know a ton about them and there's somebody that Havana and Dolores mine have been stocking slightly yours somebody that's local. And you won I literally just met yesterday at the Boston wounded veteran we did and we just started talking and you're like I'm going to be in Tampa the next couple days and I was like when you come up and do my pod casting your lecture. Yeah it's about it's it's through. If you know kind of where. Tied to my remarks at the noted that run that. Any B you'd be sitting here quietly has to do and like I am getting Israel radio you and I know they can't keep being quiet for the entire time I don't think it's his capacity of it. Through that. Came in connection. You know he said you got to talk to carry and you know get on the show or and it's it's it's really a remarkable family not only. People like like Andrew that. You spent so much that time to help veterans but then people in your industry from outside the mainstream media that really want to help veterans and you know I'll share my story. Medal in the book. But dispute. Great stories of other veterans so they don't become marginalized at mainstream media and and that's important I mean I think that's a let us to solicit thanks. That way it you know and Carolina purple haired people in the mainstream media. I don't care what goes there would be in mainstream media but as long reserve sharing these great stories far real nation's heroes that we saw so many examples of yesterday at the Boston Harley-Davidson. And done Suffolk downs and we will Bostonians errands and possible yet while I was here it's amazing over overwhelmed and that a -- Lotta Lotta places us in -- things I was very. We're honored to be a part of that and thanks again to attend that obtained the for inviting me out all the way from California to view in Boston. Well that's that I was gonna. Say that before we talk about the book and what you do now I always like to go back to begin. Because you were born marine even though a lot of Marines say they work but before you are Marie knew how to life. I did so where you from and where we born. Well. I was born in Waukegan Illinois which is a foreign or suburb of Chicago and after not so stellar high school career this is not a true confession to me from Boston area listens it will be. But I don't hide the fact anymore right. I barely squeaked through. High school I think it graduates like a one point 24 GPU is I don't even though that's graduating but there or this and hey yeah you're good to go to him he is joined the Marines and so I enlisted. I fund as a shield desert storm and then kind of realize that Airways and value of an education with Illinois State. And I graduated in three years and then release still had this desire to serve and one to get back in the Marine Corps. And I say graduate in three years because I attribute that success period to. The discipline. And the the teamwork that you learn as a young marine that our nation's military really guesses guys so. Graduated college in three years. You know it was a young. Lieutenant captain and went through all the right schools and although rippled through responsibility. And then you know some fifty years later that's. Where I was thrust into the deadly streets of ramadi Iraq when I commanded. Over 250 Marines soldiers and sailors and what was literally the deadliest city on the planet Thon. Can you go back and remember what it is that was going through your mind when you've got off the bus instead on the yellow footprints. What was going through your head as a kid getting screamed act rang off the bus that day. Yeah I knew nothing about the Marine Corps I got roped in like most people do buy good friend or something in the cedar workers those shiny bumper stickers and posters and then. You don't you know with the Pratt had uniforms are gray you see some stuff in the movies and I joined in you know 8889. And that's really all I knew about it and then you're thrust into that but what I saw from from that we afford and then we jump off that bus yet it. Lines singular moment that is. Extremely powerful and unforgettable. You just it's it's. I don't wanna see it's terrifying. Because you prepare yourself for a little bit. But it is absolutely. The definition of culture shock anything you knew about being Jews civilian. Or anything you've enjoyed about. Thinking you're in nation of freedom that is all taken away from you because I've got news for listeners and the Marine Corps is not a democracy is the Marine Corps. We defend democracy we are not you know. They'll followers and a silly because we live by is stricter set of rules and a stricter ethos suit you know protect and conserve and you know our beat those of honor courage and commitment and take care of those that can't take care of themselves that's really what Marines do aside from the fighting in. You know nation building in an all these are the things that they do warmer deployed in. And defending our nation abroad but that singular experiences is it's like changing wiest and they're just gone with the help him get myself into I was. Oddly enough I was in charge. You at that point I think it. I don't ever progressive like I'm some natural born leader but I had this desire to lead in I was the guy. Kerry and everyone's records at that point and then they said okay you're going to be charged the petition approved camp as a guy and then. It officer can't disclose. You know. A leader at that point and I just I think I always like being in a position where. I can control that environment and really inspire other people so. I don't I didn't think I had this rule. Sense of disorientation. Like many did because many don't even make it through like the first couple days and ages. What is the wash outrage you know I don't know what it is now but we lose a lot of guys. Do emissions. Of facts when they join in then admissions of drug use or I. Have a certain affiliation and at least it was back when I joined and or. Then we lose a lot of guys long way to medical injuries that can't be rehabilitated so you the whipping we lost like 30% or something like that. But if it's not super violate. Some special forces school even though we're very small part of our nation's military you know just over. A 190000 now but back then it was even smaller when I joined by enlisted. So what point eight did the kid who squeaked out a high school. Realize news. OK I was born for this was a during boot camp was at graduation and when was it that you. Realized. I am exactly where I'm supposed to be. The reason I did so poorly and ice social and lack of supervision I took a lot of risks grown up I drink underage. I got a lot of fights we've friends. I don't know I think that there but it was a UT after. Share the same home run. That was me in my first car was a motorcycle. You know I ran from the cops and fought some more drinks or guard cup by the cops. So when I was introduced to the Marines they were they looked like this great big group of risk takers I thought these guys are natural fit for me. And I think also come in from. A broken home that. There's if it's is interesting study. From my perspective is there's a lot of people that wind up that from that just divorced families but some really severe broken homes. Where the in the nuclear chemist at the nominee they join the military and or the Marine Corps and they find the sense of family. Because you know. You data marine the year constantly hang around Marines at a special military fan exactly yeah so. You're seeing lake there's this rat you know gravitational force that pulls people win in the field. I think it feels something that you had been missing Europe throughout your adolescence and then you know that's that's where I found myself and it was it was a natural fit for me. Then I never looked back over my 24 years in the Marine Corps with any regrets because there's either a marine. Rose Lehman Marines entire time. They say that that's almost the same exact a little war that troubled kids get into gangs lose the same thing that they're looking for that community they're looking for that. That family that structure. You know that they don't get it home. And unfortunately rather than do something productive with it light. Join the Marine Corps or a branch of service. That they go and completely opposite direction but they're searching for the same thing. Yeah. Yeah I think I found all those things and more and that that's really. What I've found as well through. Not only my time in the military budget through age and wisdom as you know you you gain a little you know experience as well along the way is. You never think you're gonna be is. It is protected or as is tight in this fraternity here or pursue Rory your Brothers and sisters in the Marine Corps than. When you aren't active duty. It just is an example yesterday at the the wounded that run you see when you allow yourself to be connected. And other organizations that this family it's even bigger and that is what every day it continues to amaze me where I'm. Connected to other people and it's really two degrees of separation in this military family. And it's such as our own families that supported us while we while we fought and won. In some of the deadliest places we've ever been. But these families are still supporters this day our goals are families that route yesterday in the rain. And they get up early in the always answer the phone and you know everybody that's part of this network. That I am always. So proud to be a part of it really is humbling maker. Well though the last episode of the podcast I had to Kelly family in here who's going gold star families from Massachusetts. And they talked about what an important connection at wise when. Michael Kelly who was killed in action when his unit. Absorb the Kelly family into it ends. And they got to know him in a way that they did and they didn't know him as a soldier they knew him as a son and as brother. And so when the unit welcomed them in and said no I know your part of this unit because of Michael services well. I think sometimes especially if all of your family members are civilians. That you would almost feel like what he was the soldier. And he's not here anymore and we don't belong anymore and I think sometimes the gold star families are like oh but we still belong. It's we're still connected even though I've salute as a service member that you knew when service and we knew as family is gone and down. Just seed the units in the military in general still take those gold star families and say you are always part of us. These are really important connection. Absolutely I mean you've heard my remarks yesterday is so effective part of the first chapter of my book they're gonna Mahdi. In its offensive to say it will wise at the first chapter that's where it all began was through. That loss and though the losses and about this darkness and sorrow that it's about these. People who I describe. Is extraordinary people it's only Wordock he's described that loses so much but but do you love us so much. As their own sons and and they made out of wanted it. But they got an additional 200 adopted sons and at times daughters. Even though they lost their own kid. And they always pick up the phone. They're always there for us we've lost several Marines. You know since coming home from the war they always play out for those memorial services which are tragic. Because it was a suicide but it's a story of brightness and I didn't date always tell me that to make sure that the stories got is. You know we don't wanna be seen is these these to our windows are shrouded moms there they're forest and they are connecting with this and they they wanna be involved and they love it. When the Marines call or in the other soldiers call in and keep them. Close and part of a family make him make him feel that way and they don't do it as a token is a gesture we do because we generally love them and to any goals ours. Listening. Moms dads Brothers sisters wives too often get. Forgotten just once they love you I mean you are. So amazing and so important tennis. I can never say enough because they really do you sustain everything we do and keep us connected and really shine. This torch. For a lot of guys were still trying to find their way through their own darkness it's it's it ends is extraordinary. To go back to the the last episode of the pod cast one of the things that we talked about because this time a year of course we have Memorial Day. Ends. To trying get the general populace to understand as wonderful as it is that they wanna be so supportive of our military and bettering community. That veteran stays in November yeah. And trying to get people to understand the difference between what Memorial Day is and it's centered around this long weekend in the unofficial start of summer. And people think that there are. It in it really trying to be great people by saying hey I wanna do all the stuff to support our veterans and our service members on Memorial Day. And as a civilian. I you know can can try to explain to people but Europe retired marine. So. When it comes to. Someone coming up TU. Over Memorial Day we get a single thank you for your serve as. How do you turn that around in kind of remind people put the focus back on and because it's a difficult. Thing. All it's just it's. Tied into or just talk about adults or families a lot of people don't know what do you say two goals or famine I just always say thinking I hug him via because I know what it means. And and as a veteran of the notorious for years in the Marines. I know the difference between Memorial Day. In the definition of memorializing some invites a holiday it's it it's not a private sector and the celebrated the time to honor. Just take time to pay respect it and I educate people if there if there are off the mark trust me I'd I'd do have the moral courage to stand up and say. They actually this is a day or were honoring those we lost and I think it's I think it's important I think you know it's court record this this prod. During patriots week in Boston and a great Ramirez in America you're welcome thank you want them. And it's national military appreciation month so. The tying can be better I don't think the timing of the show and talk about these things mr. really. For me at the forefront in my mind is and unit continued like cruise around the country and you share my story insure these important military stories but. On Memorial Day. I think it's absolutely important that you remind those that are totally oblivious to why we take time to honor those who serve this. Fraction of the American population. And you know Memorial Day it itself. You know I'd I am very honored to be. You know speaking at the Nixon library next week on Memorial Day with the Woody Williams who was just ahead. Honor of meeting yesterday and you know I'd I don't know if I told you he said by he's metal honorees are different muscles in the podcasts that doesn't know anything about we will lose it just Google him. Read his citation. Why it is that he received the medal of honor. He's in 94 year old marine medal of honor recipient from Iwo jima. And my grandfather was in the navy in World War II Korea and really didn't talk about a service like a lot of people from that generation they just didn't. They they went to serve they did what they did they came home don't know what their lives and a lot of them did not speak about it. We know my grandfather's in the navy we knew by you talk about it very much until my cousin enlisted in the navy and that they would have conversations. But it wasn't until my grandfather passed away and we started really looking in the history of the ship he was on and we are they were and what they were doing and so my grandfather ship was off the coast of you which and they were supporting the Marines were there fighting with. You know air support and artillery even knowing all of them that he told that the what do you certitude I doubt it that's cool and so I said that to him and I said sir it's an honor to meet you. My grandfather was on a ship off the coast supporting you guys that day. And if he ever could have imagined that I would have been meeting you today I just think his mind was then blown. And it just looked at me and the guys that authorities you've got a brain of a way to your relatives taking gravity in the NASA Eileen. And you just want to meaningless or are we sure real glad to have those guys there that day. Oh yeah and I was just so. Just humbled and you know it's just one of those conversations one of those meetings that you just never think Akamai got to meet this guy was fighting my grandfather was right there in the water and and then ice joking I take a picture with you and you like scooted over like I was gonna say about half as chair. And like him I had a micro micro financing has lacked is my apartment crush him such as experts don't ride to this picture when you see the picture the smile on my face. I was just so pride failed. Anyway not to go badgers are received speaking at the Nixon library which is living legend yes. Yes so you think you get once a lifetime opportunity to meet you know legend of all Marine Corps like. Herschel Woody Williams Leo flame thrower men on you would you MO one of the most iconic battles the flag raising. But I smut I've met him through his grandsons. You know 2008 and we just keep bumping into each other and and we just. It Andrew advised after the run and then were sit their talking haven't obvious in a hotel it and but what are you go from oil dialect while one of the Nixon library and goes oh yeah we're there to argue I totally forgot were both little. You know we're all over the place but that it is. A small world is even smaller Marine Corps and to be. Associated with guys like like would be an. The virtual Woody Williams foundation. Which goes back to supporting debt also certainly Jett that's his thing and he's made these amazing monuments. So I think it's it's it's it's like I don't use the word senator David is often visits the little. Pretentious and he's been we'll have to Google it it's an uncomfortable word and it was a bad John Cusack movie to you I think let's. Anyway but I think all these things happening during this month with Memorial Day just around the corner I think it is important that that we take time to. To recognize those we lost and you know. To those of us who have fought. And lost and and sacrificed so much. We don't need a day on the counter to remind us that it's morally because. Is there are everyday everyday is more of that for us and through our connection in an instinct connected to help each other. We really view honor those guys every day we we try to find so many different ways. You know it's important to you is. You know we think yesterday the families that support us and in the wives and husbands but on Memorial Day. I always like to remind people that. And although it's a kind of a dark topic. All the all the Marines and soldiers sorcerer's losses suicides since we've we've come home from. This long boring and as they come home but we're still fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan we're losing more guys home and we are ER and disease in those numbers that you see note 22 today. That's just the numbers department offense reports an it app I'm told people this is not some some FaceBook challenger Barbara sacred these are real people. These are my Brothers and their sons and daughters. And you know there's no. Granite memorial with their names as Sean at lake overs in almost 7000 you've lost in this long war in Iraq and Afghanistan there's no. War like the Vietnam War memorial their parents have no place degrees. And to think that their service and sacrifice meant any less they fought equally if not harder alongside all of us. When we fought in ramadi or Fallujah or. You Kandahar at their service mattered and I just. Always wanna remind people that they'd taken minutes is it. Remember those we've lost to suicide because. It's it's not a table you know this is not urban legend this is really happening in some of those numbers we've we may have lost over 20000. Service members. Two defects related to this next stress and again. I think it's important for me. This year that message especially during Memorial Day because that's what we're talking about the at this point but you know. I wouldn't have been honest to myself that I am not sure all of this pieces of that story. In in in echo and Marty because it starts with news. Harding phone call they had to make to this. The mother squad leader of the flu that we just lost in the end is punctuated with you know all the excitement. In the explosions and far facts and all the things of war but also some of the tragic effects after war. And I would have been honest is there is a writer or to those that. I was sharing this story with. If I had included this pieces. And sometimes they guessed it uses so this is a war stricken as you wouldn't cover there's this past marine on their you know like eyes door kick you marine. Well it's really not as a book about war so much as it is. A book about people who fought during one of the bloodiest. Challenges during war. And it really is about the people. And the emotion and the feeling and that power of human connection if anyone ever had asked me it was a core message of your bucket of money it's a part of human connections because through. This great process of writing I of being connected to so many other people it's just been amazing. Let's talk about the book and then we'll kind of backtracked threw one high you ended up there in the first place by. Was it your idea or write a book or did someone tell you because you were there that you should write. Or did you always want to write a block because I'm that person that always says. I'm gonna write my block yeah because anybody that's known me longer than twenty minutes when they hear some of that up stories I have that you have to write a block. And IE having it on my bucket list it's something I'm going to do some days I'm in a sit down and write my story. But I haven't started yet so we use it it if it was in fact something like that where you were going to write a book some day. I wanna know what it was like the day you sat down and the day you sat down an open computer the first time. And how it is that you got started because I haven't gotten to that at least. It's there is due break there catharsis when I started or finished the book I just. I wanted to share this story because the battle of ramadi. Had. Gone largely unnoticed throughout this long war. Well and I didn't want it to fund the shadows of the holy images of the Baghdad's. And there are some really great stories when I started writing the book I was still an active duty. And I it was I was writing right thing. Tragic tale at about 30000 words and I imported some friends who lost. Lost my computer got my car broken into everything was gone called my editor. My hard drive they took that's so they took out of my car my wallet and everything else left that. So I lost this thing. And there was a conspiracy of silence doesn't know it was and it was just some talks had broken my car like a really nice neighbor in California and they stole it. And I was in this funky. You know late. I'm just I'm markets are right the end of the Marines sort of colony. Acer houses story coming I'm like great great goalie Ryan film that does your conventional rail like helping odds are that. Do you see your fellow Rangers just sat on tape I now yeah it's cool we call led diversion. They're attacked a sack record so but it then. I really started chipping away and then if the Pope took a different direction where I conducted over 75 interviews. With the Marines soldiers the families. In I didn't want it to be this battlefield chronology where it was like we hit the beach in major power in the and we attacked northern flank left and we lost this many guys. It became more about the people again and that's where I think. It was you know races things happen for a reason some did you just tell me that when we came over into us and I do agree to a large extent because had. My car got knocked out broken into. I would have taken the book in this direction and really. Some people say one Holland that that you read the book and my answer is same eleven years. Start to finish it took me a year before I found an agent the editor but I see eleven years because. Had I written this book. When we came back in 20072008. That it totally different. Yeah yeah added that the big guys would've had time to process. And share some of the pain and emotion they did and we certainly certainly wouldn't have and. Sometimes you need to take a step back and and and look at it. As an observer. As opposed to a primary participants here. Be able to kind of see all of the angles of it right to be able to appreciate. All sides of it as opposed to just your singular perspective while it was happening. You do and I think team from a writer's perspective I've always written op Eds and you know you ministers particularly kids. Now as word artistic I was actually a porn maker to a college like you know fine art. So I think writing ism is a bootable media for me and in most listened elect probably over the one point divergent had a camera you know bestselling author right I yeah exactly. Hard work its mission. And that's what I told the writers do is I love this part because I know mine I'll probably helps veterans with posttraumatic stress which a portion of the proceeds go to you but. Now I also mentor. Young veteran artists and tell them how to do it and generally serves with Google it. Did you know it if you wanna read a book you need to be passion matters subject injured who's now sleeping in studio is ready. Well poor guy just you know I know he's fresh 64. 364 days a year. On a one day event and the dad yesterday. I need to nap and he should be an account juniors in your office but he's running a great book and so that's another thing that's come out of this is I've I've been able to share. My experience of how I got a bestselling book and all the steps in the process and in all the requests his ass before you even. Write the book you know ask yourself one question is why you why would people want to read this first first fight us and he's written a book about. And you know silly that trails in the after divorce and oh yeah that was steeper lover whatever you dance like. The books and written and then why do people wanna read it. He's got a great he's got a grid Nikki without. There isn't a book about a purple hair DJ from Boston I doubt I don't think I doubt yet so I don't know what else. I have to be broke news did you like hey this TV screen play there's a lot of mini series. There's now for the list rock star story exactly I think I get out of now who covered when you get going on over there yeah I got it and I had a lot. Voices in my head with a lot of volume has now. Not a there are a lot going on. The fifth a so. I apologize like I said when we started this interview these adjustment yesterday then literally just gave me a copy of the book. Fifteen minutes ago. You know in the fifteen minutes since you've been here I am not read the book suggests that everybody is listening nosed as. People some people may have already credit and the like why isn't she asked about this camera but yeah but I know through all the work that I don't with the military obviously some of the things about battle over my audience some of the stories so. When you ended up in ramadi. What deployment was for how many majority and we urge you again. We're all. I think he cannot owed ten over the course of my reporter career not obviously not all in Iraq and Afghanistan in the Horn of Africa but it you know like three digit pin I've been to Europe. I think it was like. Seven and are leaders of that it a couple of after that. But I had plenty of you know training a plane of common experience before were thrust into the city of ramadi. Which was beneficial to me. Because. You know I looked at things are different winds and wind we received orders from our commander that hate our company was gonna go fight in ramadi. I was very fortunate to have some veterans that if fathered 2004. And because the majority of the company were these young 1819 year old kids that he's fighting I mean there's that this thing was when today by. I was equally as fortunate to have about. If the salty seasoned pro bowls and sergeants when I see so all the agencies that now talking about twenty year olds or 21 year old that's too. Has to carry this burden these immense task this. Make his life and death decisions the split second decisions on the battlefield in this. In this city that was literally rolling over. Like a a pot on a stove where it's just spilling into the burners here he cannot turn off the gas that's what ramadi was like in those six that's how bad become. And these were the guys. That really were. Key factors in their demonstrated leadership day in and day out as we fought. Do 34567. Times a day in direct contact with well trained answered enforces these are the guys making a difference they're the ones that. Took care of each other better and anything ever known it and I would be sitting here today if they had not taking care of me. It was interesting. This is stuck but the Buddha that run through yesterday on stage a frigate then speaking hoosiers have onstage. Sacrilege. To follow me in ramadi in 06 and oh by the way guess who doesn't tell me it's his stepbrother. Entered of course so you talk about this small world of our human connection is it's it's just amazing. Bullets start about every second guitar to the age of the guys that you're talking about in the book yeah UN was in the Marine Corps in the eighties during peace time for the most part. There was and then you know obviously the first gulf war. And then 9/11 happens. As a people minority in. Some more fortunate enough to have a little bit of experience with being over in the Middle East because of the first gulf war. Obviously not to the extent that you soc going into Iraq and Afghanistan post 9/11 but these kids that you're talking about. They were little when island happened and they enlisted. When we you're at war already. So vain to where they were well and they they. The day they signed up they already knew how that check was getting cashed. Where is other people that enlisted green 9/11 I'm not trying to belittle. They're level of commitment or anything. But you'd. It hadn't happened yet. And then all of a sudden you've got these kids now that you're talking salty seasoned veterans at 21 years old that may be a party been on their second deployment. Who knew from minute number one running at a high school and sign a piece of paper. It's not a matter of if it's well and because. We were already in this massive war. Yeah and and I think he did that. Knowingly and in willingly which is that's what I mean yeah it makes them so amazingly acquired it really is. To understand that less than one half of 1% of the entire American population or through thirty million people. These are the people that are defending us and they come from these great families that raise good Americans. And you know I throws out there you know about same age. And often times are millennial generation gets trash you know thrown under the bus at the punch line up a lot of yards but again who's fighting. Forest right now as we sit here in the city views Syria more idols yeah these are the same guys that run. The stage with this yesterday we're honoring these it you know our millennium generation and you know I talked a little bit about you know leadership of what the importance of it is yesterday. At at Suffolk downs but. Real leadership is knowing that you're part of a generation. And your responsibility is a leader it did it you know again it does it didn't stop when I left for ramadi my leadership or when I left the Marine Corps continues this day. And part of that responsibility not just to my Marines is educating younger generations on the importance of what we are as a nation in their responsibility carry that mantle forward and I don't care if you're the greatest generation. Where the silent courage indexer. You know America come up with a label for Dan in you know dialogue to build a snow both ways like I'm tired of that because Americans. Don't breed generations we've preached greatness and if you don't subscribe to that I'm sorry but that's my philosophy. And we have a responsibility to teach this and he onstage as today with the guys like Woody Williams and Vietnam vets that were at this event and having been at the National Archives few weeks ago. And it's the national museum for the Marine Corps. He surrounded by all the of the Islam museum it's ours and it's all ours too I love it admirable in. Those guys. Have the same message and I think you understand that today's generation. These are the guys unit and we have to have faith in support in real leadership is teaching those guys what you learned along the way in matches where you learned. Well your losses. In this points in life Reese slipped and fell. And how you got back up and the relationships that you have and how important they are. That's what real leadership is and that's will be road toward younger generation I think most are gonna sell like well we collected parenting. As a citizen you you can't just trash you've blindly on on the media lower end at the water cooler at the office because these are great Americans do. Let's talk about ramadi in 2006 now when I was in Iraq in 2006 I was in better with army. So I spent time in Baghdad I spent time in belied. I spent time in two wheeled do you India but I never made it to ramadi Fallujah anywhere over there. So talk about what the climate was like in what led it to be that boiling point in somebody in 2006 what was going on over there. Well the importance of ramadi. For those that don't know is ramadi was the capital city of elm our province and up until that point and although had been in Iraq several times or for that to you and yours you're such a unique. The person that had. And has. Made the parcel sag prize sort of throws other because there's no other people willing to what I call put skin in the game I mean did she beat out the yesterday and then. That though the road as you went through just to get the experience so you can see things through that lens even if it's a different color lines that's important. I just wanted to be able to two at that point in the war. You know I I I wanted to be able to speak. Intelligently yeah we were getting a lot of stuff coming back. They're just like in news today it it's skewed. You know it was either. You know everything over there is going great and it's perfect or whatever. And and it was oh my god everything is terrible. So you know you turn on the news and there's no armor on humvees. Each turn on the news and you know you guys weren't trained well enough to be where your you you're on prepare yeah. Or you know everybody over there is a terrorist. Every single person in Iraq is his back and everybody's trying to kill us. And so there it in the communication I had with the guys that were over there. You know you can only get so much in the letters of the eight in infrequent emails or whatever and I just started asking questions of the military because. They were all running commercials on my radio show. And on this radio station trying to recruit people. So I just started turn around asking those guys asking the army to these guys and armor or not. Because if you're enlisting them through my radio show and your sentinel real meat grinder. I have a problem with that I pay my taxes I want armor on the humvee if they need armor if they need rightful place in their vast why don't they have it. And I just want to be able to do my part as a civilian and. That type of fierce determination to do not just. Absorb where you're getting fed through mainstream media that is uncommon it and that that's really. That goes above and beyond getting some cultural experience like directed to your trip to India this summer or. What I meant as in how you went to a war zone and two to get a better perspective so you can come back here. As. A reporter as an entertainer is a story teller is someone. And influence or that you now had a real perspective of that and I think. That was important especially because of the time period you went because in 2006 you know this. The entire country of Iraq had become way I described as this giant game of likable. We were having these large insurgent groups pop open seas like illusion that we would hammer down. And who you know mostly in the fine powder and then we just seep out and in the pop back up and she's like the job for ramadi where all. In 2006 president George W. Bush in General David Petraeus supported the surge strategy. And they fled the battle space with tens of thousands of additional troops and we were part of that it's just so happened. Ramadi was the city where the insurgents and drew lines that this is where we're gonna fight. And again. The city of ramadi was this sprawling massive over 300000 people were the Euphrates River. Cut from east to west and it was. Go with. People in buildings that looked like they'd been staying at point blank we're shotgun blast for about ten years which literally they had in the entire city. Was just clobbered. In this layer of us this great film which was appropriate because ar ramadi means the great city in it it was just. Like this post apocalyptic. Waste land that we are fighting in and we're fighting. Amongst the people so there's about 10%. In the town that are hardcore fighters 5% were. Poem read certain fighters and we had another 5% of co looters but the other 9% were people who are living in this town. General. Kind Iraqis that wanted peace they want instability in how we see this because it's important. Because they repeated sometimes as collateral damage or collateral damage to people. They're people that kids but they wanna go to college and wanna go to the side agreement Sunday for the most part they tried to help us as best they could they knew if they did. You know they were dead. Yes I read that as soon as you guys laughed yeah or. You know anybody helping the Americans. And this is one of the things I learned over there. Is that it's a complex situation. In a lot of ways. When you guys were all sent over there you are asked to do a job it's extremely difficult which is. Operate with a scalpel instead of a sword. You know the defying cuts make sure that you keep the collateral damage downed win the hearts and minds things that you know. This is not exactly the mission as it was understood it to begin. You know a lot of peoples of Marines you going you do a job now you guys are ambassadors. And you are going in and trying to get in challenge trying to cure kids in trying to do this so I was over there trying to report that back as a as a female civilian. You know I I was talking on the air about you know the matchbox cars that the guys kept in their vested give it to the kids at. And people back home that it never been in the military and never seen anywhere like. Our guys don't need match marks just get more bulletin Tom a wide it's placed a blast at. You know end and so it's important first someone like you career military retired major. To hear you say these things that 90% of people over there are good people that you know you say okay orders were break a look at how a lot of there. If you haven't eventually practice he. The poverty I mean I talk about it looks like an episode of the Flintstones and a lot of these places. In a family's got kids and. When you guys that you need to let you know there are wracked Afghanistan UN talk you know maybe. When Susan and it's like the moon like they have absolutely no perspective of what the globe is key in yeah we shall remember like we're here a bit like what's the matter. Where a girl and we were like space men in Afghanistan it's that far removed put in you know back in Iraq you're right. Piece that the people that we've fought amongst they were there were generally good people and and and trapped there I try not to get too close to the politics but I do. I do. Saved it to those few blasts you know that loud mouth rhetoric about hitting the reset button and turn in the Middle East and glass target. You know there's so disillusioned date they've obviously never left their town they'd never put some skin in the game to understand. Another culture outside of their own because again these are people and we weren't fighting politics. Or policy your strategy in Iraq and in ramadi Tito's six we're fighting an enemy. And that's what we were solely focused on so to make those comparisons. You know for us on the ground. That those things were not important to us what was important was fighting. And surviving and winning every day and I make no mistake about it people of a civil war was winning. One never really had him a metric for success or. Barbara sixes said he had this is winning you know obviously if it was still a bad guys who light up the scoreboard it was like the super bowl of being in the infantry. But for me look forward to where it was were taking down Hitler. The Nazis. How do you how do you take down an insurgency one way is by Killen insurgents others say it's by winning. The insurgency in that means winning the hearts and minds of the people but. You know again not getting into the politics or strategy is. You know did we take off the iron fist too soon when President Bush flew on the ship into the war's over that we slipped on his velvet glove over. A kinder gentler. Military because. You're right we're good at a couple things I mean obviously. You know locating and and killing the enemy is one of them. We're good. You know blowing stuff up but were not great at holding stuff up as a military we just didn't do that I think we make these. Rapid transitions in that type of can headache. Fluid dynamic situation current modern urban warfare that we haven't seen in decades we were ill prepared for that. And I think that's why we see ourselves still there to this day in some people always ask me well. You guys sit around and see our back and you know ramadi. You know between fifteen and ice is to go we need a crystal ball appeared to sit there and say you know I feel plant a flag Europe verbally speaking. We're gonna back in this country no none of us need to crucible. We don't sit around at pine and say oh we lost this initiative bloodshed because we knew or at least I do. If we weren't good students of history like in the Pacific or in. Europe to build. Bases established approaches to establish a prism attire and a nation building here. Premise sell us a presence there breeds safety and security for the as the region's. We haven't got out and occupying the news then you're just talking now maintaining I I I write I write about it talk about I never presumed dead. Our our meager 250 push your existence as Americans is going to you. Change that of a 5000 year culture in the Middle East if you think that you're delusional. It's I think some people do that because we're Americans we want what. Fast food to a fast Cassidy AT and what's the first you know it through. Want to pass the Vegas that's democracy like I needed at a Middle East because they do it their way. And you have to accept that. And if you if you in I think that's when things are second. TU. One of Boston's finest is that it is that his tribe in the the veteran is. That. Our war fighters today both these young men and women that are serving our country they've got such a unique understanding of culture. Before they go over to fight we've really done a great job to prepare them before they go over. And then I say it is because they talk to Vietnam era vets I talked to World War II vets and Korean vets. And you you know there's a lot of things that come out of those conversations where. This enemy wasn't just the enemy you know there's a lot of racial habitats and you know they had and you view of the culture. And these these things kind of didn't help the situation is always like our our viewers you Hugh exactly. And we talked to guys in our generation that fought during this long weren't past 1214 years you never hear referred to them. Of a derogatory way it's always the enemy. Or the insurgents it's that's it because they understand they had to know this culture to be successful to fight. And survive and win an attempt environment. So in 2006 this lying distraught. And this is where the enemy has said this is where we're fighting for what was your. Was echo company what was your mission going in there as you understood it. Our mission was to kill or capture and Iraqi forces. Period. Full stop. And to do that we were very fortunate as part of the fifteenth marine expeditionary unit. My company. Along with fox company a segment on a fourth Marines. Our entire unit was kind of farmed out across the entire province of Al Anbar and we were sent through ramadi because that's where they need additional support. In the Marines. We will do this big club so although. You talked to a little bit earlier about you being kind of surgical at times we were kind of like this blunt instrument of war by one of my commanders actually called us that because. We had. A lot of firepower my company alone we had over 250 Marines and soldiers sailors. And that allowed our army commanders in the first brigade combat team in test or wanted to treat. To really leverage us to kit at the insurgency. And we fought differently. And I employed a different type of tactic that the ground level. Very aggressive always on the offensive. We found out quickly. We work a beautiful day like we thought we had we owned the night through our optics in and night vision devices and our training. So we hunted the enemy in night. We are constantly knocking him back on their heels. That's what we're doing and I think that allowed our army commanders of freedom of movement to go in in place. You know. Police transition teams because we are trying to recruit and again. Build the confidence of these people and I think we were largely affected his removed from Warner this city together clearing. Block after block fighting street to street house to house room to room again. This was a daily occurrence for us and it was unlike anything I'd ever experience and for the Marines even in Vermont evo four. He really redefined what we knew about urban warfare and fighting that term fighting because we're. Constantly slogging it out we're creating new ammunition resupply terms for our Brothers like that Jesus and indeed these Marines you get and it. And it was it was really tight because are so many units operated in this city we also had to worry not only about. And be killed us. But we as we were killing the enemy who's on the other side of that street another army unit or. Marine unit and then will we call spill over. And haven't friendly casualties as were fighting day in day out it is it uses dynamic as delegates. So let's talk about the website of the area because I love the fact that you know there's so many military members Elisa podcasts and so many veterans that speak your language. But I have to be a civilian for a second say OK but there's a lot of people that. Haven't served. And they're they they don't understand. And it it they're not ignorant to we just don't know is civilian yes don't know so let's just dumbed down for second so we're talking about an area of ramadi. What are we talking and square mileage wise we return to space wise. We we had about. Probably just under oh eat each sector was about a it's a half mile to a mile that you know swear that's where we operate and it was carved up like this crazy pizza I mean it was there's line is on the map for battle spaces and usually predicated off of which roads run through the city city you know you have an area deacon handle and that's calculated based on math and I murmuring senator met in public but. You know with this up like you have to have fifty guys obviously could could take on more battle space selected for their patrols to move through their. That's that's kind of how we operated and since it started as a city and held about 300000 people it was an. You know the comparison make it echoed ramadi as well is I was glad. That we were tick in the war over there Iraq. Instead of in San Diego you know because it people could understand that. You can understand this city here as well you welcome it if we act good morning Andrew. And we've been fighting a war like we've been fighting lesson years in America. It would be totally different because. It is is rudimentary as it is and is you know. As old as the towns are over their Iraq the buildings are very well built. So it's concrete and brick and mortar and see you very well protected when you're fighting a German city structures were fighting downtown San Diego. Just seven point 62. Hot led from an AK 47 weapon that would cut right through finals I'll drywall in the two by word is that there you know bill from 84 lumber whatever. And sail right through there so it would be a totally could be in game changer. So the police were fighting was ideal. C gut an ancient city an agent plays 300000. Residents there. Usage you guys had about 250 Marines. What do we talk and numbers wise. For the army units that you were around I'm just trying to get a ratio of is some of oral surgeons. And then residents and then what we had from military well. He compared deceived make it simple I mean there are so many units operated there is like cats sleeping with dogs. And you know the headquarters was like the Star Wars cantina mean everybody in their Brothers and their. At the company level. A marine infantry companies usually around a hundred eats it 200 Marines only on a good day in and I had a lot of additional. What I call enablers like. Support people I'd I would take cameramen out with me it would take you know and troopers out with me military working on anybody to secure a replica of me. That's why men numbers so big I was a little bit different that way but the army. We've been operating in that city. For months before we got there and stayed months after we left making of you know I sometimes think is just a dent in what targeted. Their companies were about 200 soldiers. And that was due to the fact that they just couldn't feel the many people because it's awful lot of casualties. In there are spread so thin so they were task organized. In a different way just the way to get rid himself in that city. To cover all of the main. Areas where people were driving in and how we filter people in from the north and south of the river that these deferred weapons and bomb making materials across it was just you know very dynamic and so the reason we rolled in there. We kind of look like rock stars just prior sheer numbers and we had all these web fans and and all these tools and enablers that were just different from the army that allowed us to really get after the enemy in a different way. That whole time in ramadi. They draw the line you guys are role and there was all of that and now. You're really starting to experience the foothold that they had visited and the push back was it more or less what you. Had expected or trained for. It is it is set it was what I expected. I was. Amazed to hear from the Marines that fought in the seat of for the day how how worse it gotten. Because even though they lost more Marines to a 35 Marines from the battalion. In 04. We lost less Marines and in those six thankfully but they they all remarked how worse the fighting to become a more. Intense it was the frequency duration which was fun I mean we we were in favre's rights. For up to five hours at a time. Which again just redefine who we knew his fighting these guys wanted to fight so we never underestimated the enemy. And the thing about ramadi two was because. The intensity. Was so high. The rules of engagement. Were extremely permissive meaning. If you're driving your car at night. You if you walk on the street and I should if you are shoveling your hand shoot them you're soon to be digging a hole for an ID if you're on cellphones shoot him. I am not saying this to be cavalier. Those urges the conditions under which we had to operate because he didn't. Your lives your risk and you had to survive. And to be quite honest if you weren't inside you were out doing those things you're bad guy and those are there those are the guys and eighty killing now. You transition. Throughout the deployment as we moved around from even different parts of the cities the rules of engagement change where they've gotten. Better control of those areas of the city and then we moved to completely different cities and so elusive go from zero to sixty. With these really permissive rules of engagement now we're in an area where it's like going from sixteen to zero. Where it's more stable athlete we cleared the city and now we're able to conduct. Routine operations and just localized patrolling so this is real challenge though is a leader but. A leader who is 35. He's got a bunch of combat experience and life experience it but your kid 1819 euros feel that. I really did think about how that impacted them until I wrote the book until I looked back I wrote all the. Names and or rent a car had. I think you're a car exactly and I'm counting look at the names of like they were so young and they were so young you know and you know but it's continued to perform these super human acts in the face of great danger as there surrounded by complete uncertainty and it I its idea and I've never been more impressed. By anyone that I was than those resume led during that time it is there's just really. Dislike him now I can imagine when you take on. You know career. Marine I take on the task of writing a bought. There's a lot of criticism that comes from your brother and hey you know aren't. Name surge saying that you're in elk as it happens at times some right to block. You know they say oh liking to where I'll be quiet what you gotta tell everybody why you write a book in. You know you see it with some of the seal books that have come out because you know these guys supposed to work in the shadows and all that stuff. Part of the motivation to do it is to be able to sing the praises these guys that you're talking about yet. Would make it's a different is the you know. We were talking about this governors who would you rate near the Marines or cops will bill you for breakfast if you get a raw so I had to be absolutely certain I got a right. I would go back and I would re interview guys and there's actually a park well when I heard my editor. Before we sold the book. You know she said Scott there's none of the view. In this book. Because. That's who we are as Marines. As protectors you know we're. Were pretty humble creatures although we're not often accused of being humble and you know work out homily is exactly that's a great great point but. She said there's not enough review and it is should a great point because I'd gone through that interview process I pulled so much pain and emotion from. All of my families of Marines I did have to give of myself and that's an easy thing to do. The part that they shared not only. As while I was commanding these these brave warriors in combat but also parts after. And when you expose yourself I think you pose that to. The work as an artist are you also as a marine you go to those you wrote about and I think. This day. You look at the big guys. Names on the cover like Chris lit be one of my goals are. Brothers or major general James Livingston medal of honor recipient wrote the forward her big west are Oliver North or. General Louise all of these people. And you know Marines they would not have staked their reputations and careers on a piece of work at a not at right. And to have them do that is extremely humbling to be that. That cast of carriages that listed plus all the Marines that have called in said. Thank you thank you for being our voice and those endorsements from my Marines. And from the soldiers. Like the one I gave the example legislator and McNamara marks and at Suffolk downs. Those are the things that mean the most to me you know it's great getting. Accolades from off. Five star general or some celebrity endorsement but to hear from the the the mom of of one of the Marines who lost to say thank you are sharing the story. I mean it's it's the whole reason I wrote it. Let's talk about some of the stories and the books in the battles that are in the books some of those. Some of the acts of heroism. Of of these young guys that you talk about in just. The you know that you look back at now at their age and Q is there a story from the book that. Would be a great example for someone that hasn't ready yet or doesn't know lot about that the battles of ramadi. There's so there's so many examples. I would've written about. Every one of memory in its. But obviously known or read about that long because this there's so many great stories but at the ones that are in echoed her body. Are very emblematic I think of what all guys experienced that only in ramadi but during this long war in all wars slew of one of the great stories that they share is an or trying to because I was wanna give something different. Is about. One of my Marines named Ryan downing and I'll start with the end because that lake is a writer at the beginning zone and as a as being he's as successful. Full time police officer now in Iowa with three kids of his own. Happily married his wife Ellie his mom Kimberly is support and his dad Jeff so Ryan is one of my Marines. Who fought the first Feller body. I received of injuries a purple heart that is Bobby it's a phone call and then he she goes through all that the family get a straw that. And then he's ordered back where Lego company again 24 months later. And at this time. In between. Kimberly downing. Has a son Justin. At one point it's Ryan. Justin and Jeff all three rivermen all three Marines all three infantry in Iraq. At the same time. And this is a mom now she's got her young daughter. And she's in Iowa. Small town Iowa new military support network router no big days solid base housing. So she's got no this is she's fighting over the news. Aussies watches the computer Fox News and you know what's coming out of pipes as she's told an imagined she would totally insulated. And all she's he is so she's getting phone calls the first time is in no for Ryan gets. You know shot and injured then just as of this year it's another phone call and then Ryan who's fighting with you on December 6 who lost coral Libby. This kids up on a rooftop position during a five are far fighting gets blasted from the one of our tanks to over pressured as of a concussion we have the medevac about. And she gets another phone call so this can you imagine being Kimberly downing and the sacrifice that as well the chapters called sacrifice. That is my definition of actress this mom he said three of from men through your Marines off to war with so much uncertainty. In the to continue to get these phone call so that Ryan gets injured again. This is kid Ryan Downey's like an aide describe him is. He's kind of like Jack Russell Syrian Isaak really tenacious and can admission is like he he's he's. It is a minority lists for a little while you I guess of trouble but this kid can fight and he was loyal to a fault. But he gets injured again. It is mom finds out not through the American Red Cross is supposed to notify them but through social media like I think it was maybe. FaceBook or maybe buy space and I was in order or by spin exists that. I then found out that that's how Kimberly and receive notification and it was important to me. I got to my satellite phone again and I climbed the roofs of buildings and and I called Kimberley in the first illnesses that can do is cabs out using. First of all Ryan is okay. Of these five but I wanted to call you and tell you. That he's OK. I don't think he's going to be coming home because it's not that bad from a problem in a different unit you'll be a little bit safer he he's still going to be with the company put. I'll do my best to protect him and she thanked me as. Again astounded you know these people while we should think he'd be word these people come from that can say thank you. Just for simple phone call and she says you know let's cut the only person. Her all the deployments armories as ever pick of the phone call me. Which. Is it's tough to deal and that's in error when you're just call and the parents of breeze but it was something significant like that happens I feel real responsibility to you. Again they deserve a phone call and I think that's a great story in the book about. Not only the fighting in the friction. That indescribable pressure that's always around us but. The sacrifice of the families and how it all comes around. And there's so many different levels and so many different lessons. In this book about. Not just leadership but team building and survival at overcoming adversity and again that power of human connection that really. I think ties altogether and it makes it so it's different then a book about what I did when I fought. Well that's great what you did then what are you doing now to leave your Marines howry sting connected to your greens this day. How many people who have fought in ramadi or Iraq are getting on a stage Spain connected. It's either Marines come back and say put your phone readers seek him in touch. Well organized and thousands of people get together that's leadership. That's my definition. The last episode of podcasts are talking about within the Kelly family gold star family that this year. We got to hear there. Side of did the experience of a casualty. What it's like to be the family tickets notified what it's like to be the family at home. I deployed soldier. And what it's like to get that knock on the door and everything that that nightmare that you live through after it. What I haven't been able to ask somebody. Is. Your side of that story in talk about it with corp Bolivia and Libby in the book. Can you talk a little bit about. What it's like being on that side of the phone call what it's like to be armed fat side of the experience because it's. They're both so unimaginable and I can't imagine that either side would say I would rather be in your shoes because. On news that there's probably two versions long pauses with with tears in my eyes and then there's the a pro version but it's you know it's there is no easy way to talk about it and there's no. Well I'll preface it by saying that is it okay bastard yeah its ebbs and slowly I mean it it. It again it's another important part of my story and and in our story as it is a team and to have to make the phone call to the mother. You know a marine that literally was standing right next to you. Fighting. For his Life Party protect his Brothers in and died literally by your side. And then hours later have to call his mom and give her that news. It's a worst experience I've ever felt. And then. On that same phone call ever pass a donor to his dad that you have the same story. Then have to do it through his brother. Is. I mean it's heartbreaking and but again I owed it to those families because I know that a simple letter of candles would have been enough for me and use. You don't give you training for that they don't they're teaching at school and there's no requirements do it. The C should write a letter and I absolutely wrote him letters as well I mean I call on this day. Right after that loss that. You know years that the thing about it loses. Is this hard as it was community to get through that process and even though after I mean that phone callers have we lost group Libby. In a while back in the office today you know put the phone away and I you know it is is like dead sounds ever when do you ride been. And nobody wanted to be in my boots and you know my first sort of the communities is it is it more birdies in his. It was an unenviable job just like the guys who have to knock on the door assume immediately notify them. And it's. You know it's is just something you know you'll never forget it yours also still. Fighting in you know what after amid a phone call again. You know. The beast mom thanked me a call honor. You know who does that you know these these amazing of American families that the breed into the our greatest generation and they were thanking me choosing continue to fight and she knew that it was such a miserably through this and we didn't we had to go back out in the city I still had of the 250 Marines the to worry about is their parents to and so you have to. Put in a jar compartmentalize that you have to go back in continue to fight because that's what we do and that's sort of where that's who were there for. So. It's an easy thing to do. And it certainly wasn't easy to write about but it was important and if not only that story losses of Levy who lost a battle but also. Corporal silently Q is one of my squad leaders who lost to suicide I I'll take your five I called. Point times they called a hundredth of support families after permissions they are you sure. It's okay for me teacher this story and every time everyone of said Scott you have to tell the story did this task to be known. So that they're not forgotten in that people know that it's not just. Of a bunch of Marines dress blues knocking on the door and these elaborate. Arlington national cemetery burials but what happens to them from them the point on the ballot for the injured how they're handled. With extreme reverence even from that point of injury to you. Dover Delaware to either final resting place at all of those things I was very fortunate as well to talk to those people. That did those things because. Even as a marine captain with fifteen years I just kind of had blind faith in the system like. When ariz injured on or about to order worry dies. They're going to be transported back but I didn't know how the process and fully Delhi interviewed. What do might KC 130 pilots who described in. Really granular detail and it is a fascinating part of the story which. Even to the guys in those who think they know a lot about what goes on I didn't even notice and this year his experience with me and all of that emotion is. It is a loony to me so. It's an important part of the story but all of the steps along the way it is the you know the sad phone calls and there are intense the fighting but. Even those things about. How we take care or on the battlefield and those that took care of us as well. Like our interpreter is who fought alongside of us in the contractors who were civilians. That. We're still wound that threw their hat in the ring and fight he had a couple of retired special forces guys that were due biometrics Keating. And their former green berets have like he got a rifle come on out all right Roger that sir that's an order for sergeant. He would cuss at me he's like who are these people of like Prado Obama will fight will dispute his brand of you know misfits but we were. Cohesive unit and we weren't this specially trained unit will we fought Marty we were an infantry company. We had this remarkable chemistry these people in this company that is so great and I think we might have been rock label like the realities company into the time by the sergeant major the we we we just. We had a remarkable chemistry and I think we still lose today because we're still all very connected. Well I learned a lot talking and Kelly family because they said. You run the risk of having your loved one die twice which goes back to what you're talking about. The day they die on the battlefield in the days that you stop talking about them and their name doesn't it set anymore. Because then they die again their memory dies then so we're talking about when you speak. To the Levy family in new and you talked to the families of the fallen. Even though it's a hard an emotional conversation. They want them in the book. Because it makes people like me then ask about them getting keeps the conversation he keeps her name alive and keeps her legacy alive. We've got multiple layers of redundancy built in which is something to this Marines that thing but. And I'm not saying there has to go on write a book about. Those Brothers have lost by. You know there's so many ways like through. As Marines through our our national museum in in Quantico. We've bricks and through our foundation entered the the Q4 associations segment of forestry association which are also the president of we have bought bricks for every single fallen marine in never time since inception is telling. 11190 of bricks. All laid side by side in our museum. Will only be done and it's done that Hampshire now that I've said this outlawed some summaries and it's like injuries. Massive. In. Do gooder is gonna shows like they were gonna we're deliberate project now but dumb. There's so many ways to honor our our following orders and in assist with morally coming up you know just saying thank you. Through the families and you know taken time that it respects. To those that are sacrificing given everything the real heroes of our nation. Is it's important. I always love to hear these stories and having experienced some of them myself being overseas embedded with the troops. In the face of extreme adversity. Far from home in you know just hell on earth in every way shape or form. There's always a way. To laugh. Ranked. Lighten the mood. In and I've never seen a group of people besides our military find a way to be so exceptional at it. So when you're in a place like Hermione. Hell on earth fighting all day is their story. About something. That was just so ridiculous that happened in the middle of all of that hell. Because someone did something like that that crank that had made that joke is it can you share one of those because. These are my favorite stories across all the stories that people don't believe. There are firefight why would somebody. I emperor a perfect story for that and having been neck guy that was part of those random acts of jocular he has a Lance corporal I understand that they happen in that wasn't. It's always involved in them but there is apart there was an entire chapter of the book grows gonna take vignettes. Things Marines have done. And that is going to be like in the back of of the final version cycle the outtakes natural gas. Yeah yeah and so it was I made memories write essays when they came back from Iraq. Because we were stuck on chip to like seven weeks before the back and they did that. Not because it was gonna read books today I had no asterisk is doing at that point I did it because they knew it was a good tool for them to decompress. You know always a so visible like re one good thing in one bad thing about Iraq and as some guys. Relate you sir I've now read this and this is there concern that other guys very eloquent in and others were extremely comical. And I wanted to put in the book is and it went through a stack of like you know. Ordered it you know fifty years 200 essays I grade you know like AA you know this gives us C plus or someone like half. It's session. Inflation hit. But I found this word. For one or torment he says. At that he was on a rooftop that one of our firm bases and they were innocent extreme fire fight. They be slugging it out just you know I don't know if you have any sound effect bugs but I didn't ask and a half day. Yeah roads electricity machine gun and explosions going off in the distance and and they would stop and it was like crickets. So this is acts of care as villains like nothing. And so the Marines. Always lowly to abuse the navy to begin with but we love our corpsman but he is a very junior could relate back. Run downstairs. Get to some snacks. So dark is run and you know in between buildings exposed of any fire. He's grabbing rip it drinks was like there the red bowl of Iraq was like the Lewis a little mini cam yeah. That it was the lowest bidder may be about I think actually the reason we had rickets was because they were. Real with six ounce cans for shipping. Anyway that's sort of backing for a he's given snacks for the breeze like feed the bears at the zoo you know he's gone up on the roads is an out snacks. And perhaps readying his tell this story in his essay that I sign on under boxer on the way back and he says. It was like. Use use Filipino it is like a little accident he's like it was like. We're taking civil rule halftime break is with the Marias golden between between life. The ready fire fights you know they're doing these Super Bowl half time breaks and finding ways to laid to booted you know also arraigned you know documentaries. Like this eight year old kid. Religious test and run in between buildings but. It was funny you know it's a funny story there's a bunch of them that are actually in the book is well and I kid walks by. My table is and and assigning tattered cover. Any whispers down he says those long periods. On a patrol where is is uncontrollable laughter. Like the numbness and acres in it was the same kid Newt. During the question and answer session and asked me with the one thing that I miss about Iraq and I was like rep it's of course know with the rivets but it. He hit I'd turn the restaurant in a civil would he miss most about it and that was that was those long period long patrols where does this. Uncontrollable laughter just breaks out you know it's it's like here over tired as a high street are. Who is in something so real happy end user you know it's is it triggers that you know. Tube and you just you can't hold it anymore and it's just a pressure release but you have to have it because. In all that chaos and all that friction in seeing the worst of humanity. The worst that war has offered there has to also be some normalcy and is a good leader you have to allow that. You have to let memories looked tired I'm a little bit. But also maintain discipline and order. But you also have to find ways that. There's these pressure relief valves for them in and in give them an outlet otherwise it's. It it breeds disaster. And you see things. When I was Afghanistan we we were going through downtown Kabul. And you know I'm not civilian. Member of the media strapped into the truck sitting behind the driver and food to my gunners legs are next to me and he starts laughing and we all the headsets on you know and he's going his guys really call and ask him he's just laughter and intent mass holes that shot but you know but I look out the window home. And there's a guy eight were rotary which in Afghanistan it's not like you know kind of in Massachusetts where people try to follow the traffic was it's just bedlam. And there's a guy I donkey. Passing. The military convoy weren't born 50000 dollar up armored vehicle do not dog he's passing has but he's talking on cell phone. And it's just stupid little things and for me he I did just bend their feud eighties. And and he's like well he's really hall an ass and I look at the widow unlike. No one home would believe this I now it's just so. So out of the realm of normal and an out of the possibility that it even happened. And so people ask me these questions thank you stand the most random weird (%expletive) happens. When I got passage you're rotary or donkey but starting on cellphone. And then you just do you and it would never happen anywhere around down. It's Knutson and as they did you your very lucky to have that it respected the seat those sets of cultures were. I was in the does the skin gas CA we could probably go over here to the AMP a or whatever it added I mean people of Boston now. What do they have why does have the talks of funny. I don't know and an idea of an accident and I love that fact the mayor who is and in mr. scary issue with his accident. What do they have would be for you good luck in the convenience store I did it all like companies like you gotta come yeah. Yes and opinions or NATO area like seven alone and residents and so it yet you walk in and I'm I was I was kind of notes the and it. The court we know account has no idea why am laughing. Ams is them having this I don't know maybe a flashback or something now like you know African out of Hartford current they have just I'm looking at the wall. Then seeing the array of stuff like there's all these gadgets like there's your bloods and is there and hamsters are. Lose and there's Tobin Hague in things that weren't rear supply and then there's some. What's the theme the 3-D view her for your photo Mike only NN this blurred out allowed out the word came from no filter. Only in America at a gas station did you get all of this stuff milk. Red hot dog on a stick it's covered with not a sauce and a three preview for your phone people in the Iraq or Afghanistan outside America could never realize that you literally only have to walk one street to the next. The get everything you need. But Americans cannot fathom that is if they have to wait in line for gas. For more than like five minutes of the freak you out. So if they were in the most oil rich nation in the world and they are waiting in line for gas for like three to five hours which happens in Iraq. I know naked area and it was another place or two that we watch him in line for gas. And of Iraqis who give other car in this rights in Syria and those that avenue Boston. Well we as a lot of firings. It depends on you know if the pats want our lives and the Sox to beat the Yankees we we fist fight about anything pretty much. Provided little letter to him for the reason what's the gas lines again as verified the streets and we have to bring about but it. But it does make you realize I I had that same kind of I realized. How lucky. I was to be born a woman in the United States in the time that I was when you go over to places like that you walk around you see how the women are cheated how the little girls grow up. And I realized that like buying a powerball ticket was probably just redundant at this point is that already won the lottery just by being born here at this time. Yeah absolutely and weeks we understood that to you again you know I have this great cultural understanding for the for the not only is the civilians but what they have to go through. As a military we eat did not figure that out somehow. That how valuable the females were an. Again I know of already cheated the Bolivia or like off animal ideals about I'm a fan of these young warriors but I'm also a fan of female. Of soldiers and Marines being in. What ever. Role we wanna call it weather's infantry you're in combat. Combat jobs. Because they are essential. To success in this type of environment in this. Where the front line is literally everywhere an enemy QB anywhere. When the kids go out to play every day what are the kid Zealand third little pieces of eyeballs gathering information and really come home to mom. What does mom know everything everybody's mob in this in this community to gunners in this mob knows everything. We did have access that information because we did have enough females with us the ones we did were Iraqi interpreters at times. And they always pull these little nuggets of information. Which we would send to our intelligence sections because and then in the culmination of all that information becomes intelligence which we can act on. But had we thought about this from the strategic or operational level even the political level and in DC. He provides some of these assets we would have been. Really Macon. Headway in that region today because I think it's a key and we were just so overly sensitive to this you know religious sensitivity. We just finished in the culture and those are distinct differences so. As wanna throw that out there return and return about you know being a female in the region Bettina feel the military in that region is so challenging. But for me is a commander. You know I'm not some knuckle dragging cave man I was very. Adept at understanding. What every person brings to the fight where the year. You know an Iraqi interpreter or female soldier I don't care if you pumped gas forward. Dubai metrics gaining or you are handing mail out if you carry a life when you provide it's a matter of item accompany you welcome. Because that type of team work is what I tried to breed and everybody understood that I think they're pretty. Pretty grateful for. 011 story that are that was like that was at the you know that the big Americans you're going to solve all the problems you don't know village and they see the women walking miles and miles and miles to get water every day. So what you do we're going to your village we're gonna give you well. Yes and then the wells started to get tampered with and destroyed. And they Americans would come back in Sewell who keeps tampering with the wells that they would fix the well it would leave and then somebody would disrupt the well again. And it took. A woman I don't know if she was a medic or somebody finding out. The only time the women to get out of the house to communicate with each other and spend time away from the man because it's such an impressive. Society. Was when they all had to get together to walk five miles to get water and it was the women in the village themselves that were tampering with a well. Because the convenience of the well outside their front door took away the only time. That they got to get together and communicate. And actually leave the village in going do some again it was because they have the mission of having goes so far to get the well. As somebody just asked that question or realize the cultural difference yeah. Then it's like why she would rather walk five miles each way. With buckets of heavy water because she got ours out of house and was able to communicate with their fellow women. And as soon as you put that convenience of the well right there she lost all of the freedom that she had. Yeah again and I think it's a little bit of American hubris you know we can we do you think sometimes we can solve this frogs and east had called me you know and deceit. Some senior level officials sitting in their trying to communicate and talk about governance and infrastructure. And neo. Nation building with guys who were running of the city like ramadi or rude. In the head the equivalency. Of may be second or third grade education. In these guys are college educator officers and they're talking about all these things like orders you do it trash rule system is that at this. They didn't need to hear that the they needed Steve be empowered and peripheral days and you just nailed it because this listening to people is the key to success and also the key to being good leaders. We weren't listening at times over there and we're still. Hard pressed to learn his lessons that I think it's it's a great example of he successful in the year really understand the culture and just listen to people but doing things that we do you normally as leaders in America. Would have. We have really improved the success rate. That we've expected after spending fourteen years in that region. Billions of dollars countless lives while bloodless way but. I don't think we should quit I don't think we should give up I think we should show all right looks like and not leave until the job is done and if that means go back over there. Do a little extra cleanup Joseph what right looks like. We need to do we need to fidget in and that's a way to honor of the guys that have that have gone before as well. And it then on the other side of the spectrum we talk about the role of women over there. You know now you look at crisis. And you look at those why PGA sniper women these these teams of women who are the most feared because. A member of crisis the worst thing they can do is diet Hannibal woman. And they're more afraid I've talked it suit you know special forces guys and whatever and they say oh yeah their credit bust like they're afraid of those women. They wanted to blow themselves up for get killed by just ten times over in heaven forbid. Be killed by a female sniped. Oh that's a fate worse than death for them and so just that cultural differences like well mayor we should just give the guns. All went Dara. They eat you know I am all about. The the right person for the right job for the right reason and I'm also all about maintaining its feeder of what. Is effective for our nation's military. Do as long as the standard remains the same again if if the right person for the right job for birdies you can can accomplish a mission I'm all about it yeah. I always ask this question people that are that are military and then have gone through the whole process and then retire. Was it harder. To Gideon. What was hardy giving him that's the first time question for me really the while that's a good look at I got to imagine it at when you get to the end of your career you make that decision. To. You know not have to shave every day not have come here at every is busy with the Chuck Norris left leg you know every that as was a hard decision or did you know is the right time. I always told myself this. When it stops being fun and getting you out and I mentioned as we started this program. I've always either been a marine or leading Marines. In some capacity. Pretty much my entire career I was very fortunate to bypass. All of the staff jobs some cubicle in DC you're at the Pentagon are recruiting duty. So is always are summaries of those leading geyser or or young marine for you know for years my life. So. You know after. Ramadi and in coming home in sustaining some injuries. And have a little bit extra touchy and hardware part of me by the navy. Do some impact related injuries. You know I I just wasn't the same you know I was as you know most of us a deal with glee disable that because because they fight gravity still exercising you right. As you that on active duty Cuba. I felt. You know a fairness. To the Marines I was gonna lead. And in fairness to myself. It and it was there was a turning point in the war. It was it was an even a difficult decision it I reached that point where I knew he this is it. When I look back. Without any regret. Because I've done so many amazing things I've met so many amazing people I mean I've traveled the over sixty different countries over ten deployments. You know fought in bush. For most grunts would. Probably had a tries again the super bowl of combat. To be that type of arm and that we wish is it for anybody. But. To get out I think it was. I think it was good news. The right time for me I just knew his lifetime and I didn't wanna fight it because they think there's a lot of guys that languish around because they're just afraid of transitioning. I look at it is a very exciting chapter in my life and now that you know I transition. Or to the private sector and in LA for a year and a half and then. I I just didn't love that I was one of the passion about what a difference that I took a massive pay cut and wrote a book. Totally unfamiliar territory but. A new mission and through this. You know dude public speaking in you know trilateral in the country and help and that group's. It's been real. A real gift to be so. Journey for me it was probably the best decision I made by. Leading the reason time was it is. It was an easy decision for me as well because. I do I do is the right time that I do with the progress I think a lot of people sometimes leave with regret. But I know that you served. I say this all the veterans listening that your service matters were never just. An aircraft maintenance technician or just. A cook. You served in every. Of service matters out of character kick in doors and ramadi or turn to the ranch on a truck prescription pain on a ship if you serve your country or say thank you. Because you're service matters and you should be justifiably proud of everything you did. Before LA go because I know that you know we've been severe Gavin forever but it's love it's it there's a lot of interesting information here. We're always talking about the military and veterans civilian GAAP and and how we can bridge that. So. For those civilian. Listener for somebody that. Has been fortunate enough to not have lost someone overseas and someone that you know didn't serve. But still feels as an American that they want to give back and they want to be supportive and they wanna be good American and do their part. What do you say to those people. Well there's so many ways to use its support and I get asked a question. A lot as well my first responses. If you're in doubt. In DC a veteran say thank you for your service. If you see gold star parent it's a gold and with the the purple in this so locals are. Just say thank you and and and hug them that you understand. There's so many great charities that we live in this air right now even during this war that we're still fighting. I called boutique five ones but they're mutually supporting. And you know when charity helps another charity. And every day there's something for everybody you know maybe. Fishing using your thing maybe mountain climbing is may be it's. You know riding a Harley is in downtown Boston maybe that's your thing. But there's so many ways to help. But it's not always about writing a big check into the drug is again this executive director of save the brave dot org. We like big checks but we also look people that donate their service. You sitting here with me right now is you helping that you're one helping tell this great story about it and body. But you're also. Talking about a veteran community you're donating your services so people that do you have to be on honored you know Maria personally do it if you're a lawyer. Or CPA. Or food service provider restaurant tour that wants to provide your services to hope an event. Or to help manage a five wood sees taxes for that year doing. Landscaper and disabled veteran in your community are so many well war. We're maybe you're an artist and you're you're you're a veteran he reach out of a veteran artists and there's there's just a ton of ways to do it. You have to be committed to it and you have to do. But injured is what all of us are there have been done at some point in Q do you is you have to be willing to commit. It's something that means giving up Saturday or you know up half day during the week or flying across the country. Or whatever it takes a fly around the world you get some perspective seek it help the veteran community I think that's. That's where you have you just have to be committed to and be passionate about it and in care because you know. Again you know I can teach guys a lot of things safeties Rashid straighter Erica she's gonna run faster the sins but if I can never teach people to care. Never teach primary is secured without caring it's all worthless you have to care about what she did you and the beginning of the end of every day. Helping veterans is what I care about that's one of the on. Let's get. Let's get the gratuitous plug out there's have people want more information about you let's give out the website and all that information yet. Though if you wanna find out more about meet see some pictures of the Marines that we're talking about tennis episode. Visit echo and ramadi dot com. And you could click on the links him by the book there or you can go to Amazon. And Taipei and echo ramadi. You can follow me on FaceBook at echoed her body or on Twitter at echo ramadi. Born mr. equity or money into. It's. Very important story about a very important piece of history. And you're not only getting great story but you're also helping veterans to those of you are still confused. I cabbie to book a portion of the proceeds go to help save the bridge to all veterans with office Max stress and you're getting your story and help that's. I.'s policy thanks for having this year chorus and a. Of course weren't. You know neck and we never always going to be on you know every time we do an episode I say are at Lombardi working on the next episode but I have no idea who's going to be on yet because it. It could be. Music or sports related to our military veteran related massive beauties podcast is that. You know it is it can be a little bit of everything but there's always these connections to go yeah you know if I didn't know Andy. From the Boston that Ryan I never would have met you and and you would have ended here with. Let's talk about your guys from ramadi it's not so it it's all of those connections that you seem to kind of you know get woven together so the book is called tackle and ramadi the first in story of US Marines in Iraq's deadliest city. By Scott using so thank you so much for coming and what thanks it was Jamie use stay in touch and thank you for the buck. Endless who's gonna play in the movie. We don't know we just missed it to Hollywood actually did you really yeah. I ask a question or time by now I had eight and it had a unique opportunity to pitch it's Hollywood though Warner Sony. Regency in and a couple others as part of the veterans running project at the writers' guild in LA itself. To be announced that seeing you Marty did the book and I had to worry about who's gonna play you know I just want underbelly to play me but I haven't written a book. I think golly maybe we give one I should the heart muscle hair seemed totally dire news you rocked the purple hair Sandra Bullock if you're listening. I'll read to block if you agree to play me already. With the title but eight. Together with Tyler yet at least I don't. Not only at every time I think he's got his title he doesn't NEC like I haven't even started and after right the title. And I don't mind even in every time I think OK that's the craziest story that's the book something more (%expletive) up happens. Yeah but yet. Now to someday I'll be as motivated as you were to get the book down and then you can interview me for my. All right the idea that the deal I'll be back OK that sits up so number it's quite to that is crap gonna thanks Scott using so much for cumin and you can check out everything on apple and ramadi dot com. And save the brave dot org. Also thank Indy Biggio I know that this got released after Memorial Day weekend an after their Boston when did that round but another successful. On the eighth annual Boston we did that round was actually awesome site when it can gradually into Biggio. On all the work that he does to help wounded veterans around New England. Episode 43 am working on it I don't know who or what it's gonna be on yet but I'll figure out. My name is mr. Kerry can check me how it's it WA AF dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at mr. scary and on FaceBook and mr. Graham at mr. scary WA out. Thank you so much or subscribing to the podcast on iTunes. On stitcher. Google play please leave a comment try to be nice if you can I know can be difficult sometimes. 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